Neutral Depictions of Pedophilia

  • Posted on September 21, 2015 at 8:22 am

kraM asks…

Are there neutral depictions of pedophilia in mainstream media?

I’m wondering who has seen in the movies or on TV or in a book or magazine depictions of pedophiles that weren’t negative. Maybe not necessarily positive, but also not negative — just neutral.

I have two examples:

Game of Thrones. In its last season, there was a scene of a guy at a brothel. He’s choosing his woman and he kept asking for someone younger. Eventually it was understood that he wanted a pre-puberty girl. His colleagues with him didn’t seem to be bothered by this; it seemed like it was a common request of his. This guy does get killed later, but not because of his choice in girls. (GoT also features neutral depictions of incest.)

Boardwalk Empire is another, even better example. One of the main characters is the son of a woman who gave birth to him when she was 13. The father was a much older man. The last season presents flashbacks to this time. The soon-to-be father is the mayor of the town. He is seen unambiguously enjoying the company of young girls (we also see a colleague who is well aware of his activities and doesn’t interfere). The man is shown to select a young 12-year-old girl during some contest among other girls her age. The show never makes what he does a negative thing, nor into something he suffered for later in life, though it does show the girl as a grown woman pretty much losing her mind. But this isn’t necessarily correlated to her early sexual experiences. (Oh, and this show also depicts incest in a neutral way — what’s the deal with HBO?)

So, are there any other examples you can think of?

 

57 Comments on Neutral Depictions of Pedophilia

  1. Poppabear or PoppaClyde2 says:

    Game of Thrones is set in the medieval era when child brides and child prostitution were unremarkable. There is less in fiction about this period about the sexual activities of boys but it like to have been as common as among girls. A historian of the medieval period would be able to provide much more evidence about boys’ sexual activities.

    Atlantic City, the setting for Boardwalk Empire, and the time, turn of the century, was a particularly decadent environment. The creative team in both productions is only reflecting what we know happened in both this eras.

    I think that the persecution of paedophiles in the present era is a reflection of a much greater concern for the welfare of children, and women, than there has ever been before. The concern to protect children from violence, abuse and cruelty has met with a resurgence among the puritanical right to punish every form of what they consider to be deviant behaviour. Society is over-protecting sexually active children and not allowing them to choose their own sexual partners. The pendulum, as it always does, will swing back in the opposite direction, but I hope we never lose sight of the need to protect the vulnerable, of all ages.

  2. Cheryl says:

    The movie Pretty Baby has a scene where the barely pubescent Brooke Shields is sold to the highest bidder, who is bidding to take her virginity. There are also depictions of the photographer in the movie, played by Keith Carradine, being obviously captivated by the character played by Brooke Shields. And there is some sexual tension between the mother and daughter. None of these are depicted negatively.

  3. Evan says:

    in the bible 🙂

    Genesis 19:30-38

    Lot went up from Zoar, and stayed in the mountains, and his two daughters with him; for he was afraid to stay in Zoar; and he stayed in a cave, he and his two daughters. Then the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of the earth. “Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him that we may preserve our family through our father.”

    So they made their father drink wine that night, and the firstborn went in and lay with her father; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. On the following day, the firstborn said to the younger, “Behold, I lay last night with my father; let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve our family through our father.” So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father.

    The firstborn bore a son, and called his name Moab; he is the father of the Moabites to this day. As for the younger, she also bore a son, and called his name Ben-ammi; he is the father of the sons of Ammon to this day.

  4. Hee-hee, Evan, that’s cute — even though it’s actually a depiction of incest and not pedo. But I’ve always thought it was awesome that it’s in the Bible, and apparently God approves!!

    Anyway, on the subject of pedophila, neutrally presented, one of my favorite old SF novels is Heinlein’s The Door into Summer. In it, the protagonist, a grown man, basically falls in love with an 11-year-old girl. Through various unlikely plot twists, he eventually gets to consummate his desires with her. Recommended reading!

    • FriendofAlice says:

      Hi, there. I read The Door into Summer specifically because of your recommendation.

      Spoilers below.

      Certainly a book that was worth reading because it has its own unique style and interesting ideas so I’m grateful to you for turning me onto it in a world with so much dull literature.

      I was expecting the pedophilic content to be a lot more blatant, when I found he only marries a woman he knew as a child (even if she proposed to him when she was a child), I wasn’t sure if I would have considered that enough to make it eligible here. But upon reflection I think you were right to.

      I never got the impression he fell in love with her, only paternal love but it’s all open to interpretation.

      Also, wikipedia insists she is mature beyond her years but I never got that impression.

      One more thing: you’ll remember when Daniel is trying to see Rikki and he faces the obstacle of the scout leader wary of keeping any adult away from the children. I got the impression that Daniel (and therefor Heinlein) seems to respect her for it.

      I hope it becomes a movie one day and one alteration is that Daniel has to sneak in to see Rikki and we get a chase scene where Daniel makes the scout leaders look pretty silly.

  5. kraM says:

    Just because it’s in the Bible that doesn’t mean God approves. It’s just reporting on what happened. However, God did approve of a very young girl getting pregnant. No one knows for sure but Mary is thought to have been between 12 and 15 when she bore Jesus. So, he was at least advocating for the common age for girls to be married off and getting pregnant. Not exactly pedo but certainly a much lower age of consent than what is common in today’s culture.

  6. kraM says:

    Oh yeah and what’s that movie when Natalie Portman is about 13 and she has a crush on an adult? He likes her too but in his maturity tells her it won’t work, that as she ages her attractions will change and it won’t be the same.

  7. Thylanelover says:

    @kraM The movie is Leon: The Professional.

  8. Poppabear or PoppaClyde2 says:

    The archetypal love story is probably Romeo and Juliet. We know, because William has her mother and her nurse tell us, that Juliet is 13. No one ever mentions Romeo’s age, but it is understood by everyone that he is older than Juliet. is this then a paedophile love story?

    In medieval Italy brides as young as twelve or thirteen were quite common, as is still the case in many cultures today which have much in common with medieval Europe.

    But, if Romeo is only a few years older, is this a paedophile romance? He isn’t an adult, it seems, and most of us would understand a paedophile story as one involving a young person (of 13 years, say) and an adult (of at least 20 or more years).

    In my mind, the best known love story ever written, about a 13-year-old girl and her slightly older lover, is a paedophile romance and if Romeo were alive today, he would locked up as soon as he had climbed down from that balcony.

  9. angie says:

    I love the professional and also taxi.

  10. Ronda DiNapoli says:

    Angie, do you mean “Taxi Driver” with Robert “Are you talkin’ to me?” DeNiro… and a very young (Lesbian goddess) Jodie Foster? (Many were the dreams I had about her when I was younger.)

    kraM, I remember doing some research and reading that Mary was likely a teenager (around 16) when Jesus was born (and probably wasn’t much younger when she was betrothed to Joseph). Back then (and to some degree nowadays) in Jewish culture, a young girl was considered a “woman” once she reached the age of 11 (an occasion marked by a Bat Mitzvah, the female equivalent of a Bar Mitzvah for Jewish boys upon reaching age 13).

    Poppabear or PoppaClyde2… if Juliet’s daddy didn’t shoot him first.

    And let’s not forget Nabokov’s novel “Lolita.” How old was the girl? And she had *two* old men pursuing *her*!

  11. kraM says:

    No not The Professional. Beautiful Girls is the movie I was thinking about.

    What’s paedophile? Just a different way of spelling it? Yeah I know I could just google it but I’d rather ask here.

    • FriendofAlice says:

      Yeah, That’s the British English way. As an Englishman myself I really hate it!

      It evokes bad memories and the casual hate speech we’re all used to hearing.

      I feel “pedophile” is just one of the many ways Americans have beautified English.

      • UncleJack says:

        You might be the only person on Earth who thinks Americans have made English better. We have made a mess of the language. But I will say the beauty of American English is that we have robbed every culture until we have a word for just about every thought ther is. So far…

        • FriendofAlice says:

          I think this contempt for American English is an extension of the contempt for Americans motivated by the hereditary bitterness over the American Revolution and the fall of the British Empire. Additionally, I think the ethnolinguistic similarities make the English (note I didn’t say British) feel more vulnerable to comparison. When was the last time you discovered an amazing British Movie or Sitcom compared an American one? I know there are some but still not many.

          I find it jarring when people spell color with that redundant “U”. It just looks subliterate to me. I use it myself when writing for my compatriots but never online since this is an international platform and so only an international English will do. I would reform spelling to give letters a one-to-one relationship with the phones for use internationally while the old spellings remained for intranational usage.

          On another note that may or may not be similarly off-topic: all culture is plagiarism. Never be afraid to take from it, we all steal our own heritage from our ancestors anyway and the beauty of culture is when we share is we multiply it.

  12. Poppabear or PoppaClyde2 says:

    In the UK version of English we tend to hang on to the older versions of words, while in America they are simplified (sensibly) to make the understanding and pronunciation easier. Those here who know me from the Story Friends Board are aware of my pedantic tendencies (confession: it’s an obsession not a tendency).

    The letters of the Greek word for child when written in English characters has four characters p a e d pronounced peed. As in paediatrician (doctor who specialises in childhood illnesses) or paedophile (someone who loves children). The same old spelling can also be found in encyclopaedia, but these words are almost all rendered as pediatrician, pedophile and encyclopedia. In the third instance pedia means education (of a child) and encyclo means general or complete.

    If I wanted to be even more pedantic (don’t tempt me) I would ensure that the a and the e were squashed together as one character but I can’t be bothered searching for the keystroke combination that would reproduce that on the screen.

    There you have it, kraM, just me being pedantic, or, as my father used to say, a very long time ago, “You just like showing off.”

  13. kraM says:

    It looks similar to the spelling difference between a man with several wives versus a woman with several husbands. I thought being on this site it was the spelling for specifically women that are attracted to kids. I guess not,thanks for the education.

  14. CaptainMidnight says:

    The Bible states of Joseph and Mary that he “knew her not” (sex) throughout the pregnancy. After Jesus was born, I don’t know. We also don’t know if Jesus had any siblings. Quite possibly not, because Jesus on the cross instructed one of His disciples (not a brother of His) to take care of Mary when He was gone. Also, there were lots of medieval and Renaissance portraits of Joseph as a man so old he couldn’t possibly sire children on his own.

    Lot’s daughters in each case got him so drunk he couldn’t remember siring his own grandchildren. Perhaps he found out they were his, but it would have been sheer cruelty to him to force an induced abortion or two. He might also have thought they had conceived, with husbands now dead, back in Sodom. (I am not sure about that.) He had to live with it, whatever happened.

    As far as Romeo and Juliet goes, I don’t know. “Shakespeare in Love” notwithstanding, men played the men’s roles and young boys played the women’s roles. Perhaps the company had a boy who looked fourteen even in girls’ clothes, and Shakespeare wrote that into the script. It’s as good or bad an idea as anything else. I also think Romeo was very close to Juliet in age, no more than a year or two older. Again there is no way to tell.

    For thousands of years, women were property for the most part, and baby factories. Child brides were common as bargains between one family and another. In fact, it didn’t matter if they were of childbearing age or not, although it was certainly a boon for them to have children early and often. One girl was “married” three times (presumably widowed twice) before age eleven.

    Yes, the age of consent up to the 19th century was far younger than it is now. One story I have read is that a newspaper publisher in London got the age of consent raised by “buying” a teenager from her mother, taking her to a brothel, proving to his readers he could have “had” her and returning her with virtue intact. He was trying to fight child trafficking and seemed to succeed, for a while anyway.

    There are so many child-sexual-abuse cases recently, such as Jerry Sandusky of Penn State University and Warren Jeffs of the renegade “Mormon” cult, that people want to pretend child sex doesn’t happen unless monsters force children into sex. Sure they don’t. Probably not with much older people, although you can never tell if some little girl or pubescent boy have crushes on each other or on much older people.

    Wonder how many people fantasize, and about who. Probably everyone fantasizes about lovers, but what else do they want?

  15. Erika von Heim says:

    Kram etc
    UK spelling is paedophile, US is pedophile, I believe.
    Isn’t “kram” a Swedish word?
    Hugs,
    Erika

  16. Jen says:

    are you from germany Erika?
    wink

  17. Erika von Heim says:

    Jen dear,
    I was born there but today my German is rudimentary, sadly.
    And I’m still fascinated by things German… Wink dear?
    [email protected]

  18. Poppabear or PoppaClyde2 says:

    “Kram etc
    UK spelling is paedophile, US is pedophile, I believe.”

    Many newspapers and publishers are adopting the simpler and more easily understood US spelling.

    It has the slight advantage of possibly avoiding the vandalising of homes and cars owned by paediatricians.

  19. Paige says:

    My education was in Greco-Roman Civ. so I run across references to young love, in my research. In the novel “Pompeii,” which I recommend (Harris is the author’s name, I think) there are several depictions of pedophilia. In one, a ten-year old girl offers the protagonist her services, and there are similar scenes (also a reference to a ‘child brothel.’) The author is clearly familiar with the era-I’m convinced he is showing the context accurately. PS-They toned it down in the movie, needless to say.

  20. Cheryl says:

    There’s a lot on this page concerning historical figures in both the real world and stories in which young girls have sex with either an older man (Lot’s daughters, etc.) or a boyfriend (Romeo and Juliet, etc.), but these were not considered bad things at the time. The world felt girls, once they had started having periods, were grown enough to have babies, though they didn’t really understand why women bled on a monthly basis. The people of those times had seen a correlation between the ability to get pregnant and having achieved menstruation. Because girls’ bodies were becoming the bodies of women, they were considered of age for marriage and child-bearing. Thus, young girls would be married off to older men. Keep in mind also that fathers were eager to marry their daughters off because if they didn’t, the parents would have to be responsible for the unmarried daughters the rest of their lives. Therefore, if a man offered to wed a young girl, even a very young one, the fathers were usually agreeable, especially if the man had money, property, or status.

    Juliet was being married off to Paris, a young man of wealth and position in society, when she eloped with Romeo. I’m not sure about Lot’s daughters, but I believe I heard or read somewhere that their sons became the fathers of what is now the problems with religion in the Middle East. I could be totally wrong about that because I have never been much of a church-goer. Incest has never been approved of by either the Jewish or Christian religions; that I know for certain.

  21. KraM says:

    Is there a religion or society even that does approve of incest?

    I do know that there is at least one primitive African tribe that pretty much has arranged marriage of girls. And even practices (blank): the word that means promising sexual favors to an older male relative.

  22. Naomi says:

    I’m shocked that the movie “Matilda” is not a topic for you all. While sorta old, it’s almost a perfect movie for things really. I watch it once every few years and always think it’s a romantic movie about women/girls that has a camouflage of a kids movie.

    • FriendofAlice says:

      That movie is such a big part of my early childhood that I love your interpretation.
      On K’s Diary, K says a similar thing about Aliens.

  23. Bianca says:

    Coming back to Game of Thrones, I found a very interesting article, if the actors were the same age as the characters they are depicting, I guess I would actually watch it… ^_^

    http://9gag.com/gag/aMGAONA/if-game-of-thrones-characters-were-played-by-actors-of-their-own-age

  24. FriendofAlice says:

    Have you seen the Venture Brothers?

    There is a character called Sergeant Hatred who is an open pedophile pretty much.

    Now he is technically a supervillain, at least at first but he is a part of the regular main cast after certain point (arguably the deuteragonist) and I think a character who you are meant to root for.

    Now it might be my personal bias to suggest the depiction is positive. It might be that the writers are using the permissive (but emphatically not encouraging) attitude of the other character for shock value. But I think he’s meant to be OK. He seems like a compassionate mostly amiable individual.

    He does meet the stereotype at times however. I literally needs medication to avoid compulsion to abduct. Also, quite strangely I find, he seems to be at once into grown women and underage males (including those that are like 17) yet no one else. Maybe they’re sending up the old vison of the Greek Pederast or the historical conflation of homosexuals and the minor attracted.

    Either way I was quite happy to see the way the character is depicted and I feel it’s a nice start. I kind of feel The Venture Brothers might end up being for pedophiles what The Loud House and Steven Universe are for Homosexuals.

    • JetBoy says:

      I’m a HUGE fan of The Venture Brothers — one of the funniest, freakiest, most mind-blowing animated TV shows of all time, but it won’t make much sense unless you watch it from the very start. (Worth every minute, believe me!)

      Anyhow. At one point in the show we learn that Sergeant Hatred’s pedophilia was the result of some weird scientific experiment carried out on him by the US military.

  25. GoldButterfly says:

    I wish that there were less depictions of incest and/or pedophilia as being ‘bad’ every time.

  26. Coosco says:

    Ursula K. Le Guin wrote a short story (“A Woman’s Liberation”) in which a woman recounts her experience as a slave. An ambiguously positive experience in her early life is that her mistress takes a prurient interest in her, which is (physically) satisfying for the girl.

    Le Guin isn’t well known for easy moralizing, and it won’t be found here. The woman seems to have very complicated feelings reconciling her rape (as she recognizes it as later in life) with the affection and trust she placed in her relationship with a woman who ultimately did not respect her as a lover, but owned her as property. However, the mistress’s attraction to young girls is emphasized a few times but not overtly condemned. The narrator is eventually less concerned with ascribing a moral value to her sexual experiences than she is with recounting them faithfully.

    For a real life variation on a similar theme (not ped, but adolescent), see the vagina monologue “The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could”, in which a woman recounts her sexual initiation by an older woman (under circumstances understood today to be nonconsensual) as a positive experience.

  27. UncleJack says:

    The most sex positive reference in a movie I can think of is “Fight Club” when Marlas says to Tyler Dyrden ‘I haven’t been fuck like that since grade school’.
    It’s worth noting that the book actually said something like ‘I want to have your abortion’, they deemed the grade school line less inflammatory and went with that.

    I find that music is where the most references are.

    NOTORIOUS B.I.G. :
    “I like it young fresh and green, with nothing in between ya kno what I mean”

    Aerosmith:
    “See-saw swingin’ with the boys in the school
    With your feet flyin’ up in the air
    Singin’ hey diddle-diddle with the kitty in the middle
    You be swingin’ like you just didn’t care”

    Theres a ton more but that’s what comes to mind.

  28. UncleJack says:

    Ohh I forgot about the movie Rambling Rose with Robert Duvall and Laura Dern. Robert’s family takes in a prostitute (Laura Dern) and I forget why, but Laura is sharing a bed with a young boy and being g curious he feels around and ends up masturbating her to orgasm.
    The scene was hot. As. Fuck. Even if being hetero.

  29. FriendofAlice says:

    Speaking of “Lolita”, there is also “Lo’s Diary” by Pia Pera that we must take with a pinch of salt since we are working with what other people would probably tell me is an unreliable narrator plus a style that doesn’t really play anything straight.

    I’ve enjoyed what I’ve read of it so far (I have it on hiatus right now, something I only do with books I don’t want to finish too soon) and is definitely worth a look for this crowd if (and only if) you’ve already read the first one.

  30. sue says:

    If you like boys, there is a film called ‘Redneck’ from the early 1970’s that has a young Mark Lester disrobing about fifty minutes into the movie. Kind of hot as he stands in front of a mirror and takes it all off. Nice ass.

    And a movie called ‘Machete’ has Lindsay Lohan getting naked with her characters mother, some nice nudity.

    Speaking of Lindsay, I always loved her in the ‘Parent Trap’ where she has to jump in the lake naked.

    • Euphorsyne, Thalia & Aglia says:

      Hey Sue!
      Not sure if this qualifies as paedo, but in the 1971 Gregory Peck western, Shootout!, Peck has to strip naked a six year old girl( Dawn Lyn )that he has become “saddled with” because some one claims she’s his illegitimate daughter and at a small lake he(Peck)tries to convince her to take a bath, she refuses and then he “insists” by throwing her in the water, and then he proceeds to “help” her out of her clothes…and then he starts to “help” wash her!

      A strange event for any movie, more so for this main stream western..,hmm, what were they thinking?

      E,T&A

      • sue says:

        Too bad they used such a long shot for the rest of her clothes coming off. At least the water was waist high instead of shoulder high. Wish it had been knee high. Something about early seventies movies and kids.

        ‘Walkabout’ has sixteen year old Jenny Agutter doing some nice nude scenes.

        ‘The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie’ has a nice scene with a nude Pamela Franklin.

        and ‘The Little Girl Down the Lane’ has a nude scene with Jodie Foster, okay it’s not Jodie who’s nude, but her big sister as her body double. Sort of hot to think about.

        • Euphorsyne, Thalia & Aglia says:

          Hey Sue!
          Yeah, I think the long shot was probably a re-think by the edit guy at the end of the day when they check the rushes, but Dawn Lyn was really yummy( agree that the water should’ve been about knee high! )
          also,thanks for the info on those other movies, will have to peruse them soon. yes,Jodie Foster was very sexy-cute when she first started in the biz( and still is sexy! )
          weird how we remember all these tiny moments, but fun none-the-less!
          E,T&A

          • sue says:

            I agree. One I saw recently was called, The Curse of La Llorona. A very cute tween girl has a couple bathtub scenes. You don’t really see anything, but her mother is washing her hair while they chat. Not a bad movie either if you like creepy scary.

          • Euphorsyne, Thalia & Aglia says:

            Wow!, Hey Sue!

            just Wikipedia-ed up the meaning of “La Llorona”. it is a Latin American urban legend about a “woman who wails”. a ghost or spirit…very creepy and very scary! this movie would be way too scary for an old fool like me, about all I can handle these days is Frozen II, or a short peep from under the covers at Maleficent, and maybe Monsters,Inc.
            ( too much adrenaline is my nemesis, and a weak bladder…well that explains it all! )

            E,T&A

          • sue says:

            My bad. I did like where Dawn Lyn says as she’s being bathed by Mr Peck, ‘What about you? You stink too.’

            Why do I picture them getting each other clean. He is cuddling her after that creek bath, and she seems very relaxed.

            I guess there a lot of kids getting bathed and such scenes out there. From the time movies started till now.

            I think Disney films have a moment in each film of neutral depictions of pedophila.

            I saw a part in Tom Sawyer 1973 that shows Tom and Huck’s bare butts. sure it’s fast but long enough for kids to see it and go, Yeah Bare Butts.

          • Euphorsyne, Thalia & Aglia says:

            Hey Sue!

            Yes, after the bath scene, they( Peck & Lyn ) do “warm up” to each other, I guess she was feeling sooo much better and realized maybe being washed by an adult
            ( even if it was a total strange man ) wasn’t so bad after all, and he, wasn’t so apprehensive about getting a poor little girl naked, throwing (literally) her in a creek and “gittin’ her smellin’ down right purdy”.( too bad she had to get dressed again, would’ve been nice to have seen her cuddling in the alltogether 😉 As a side note, in an interview with TCM, child actress Mary Badham, said she had only the highest regard for Gregory Peck, whom she and her child co-star called ‘Peck’, Mary said she was treated like an adult by Peck, and he respected her by mentoring, and helping her with lines, and made her feel like an equal at all times( I think she may have had her first ‘crush’ with him!)…

            The earliest film I remember watching with child nudity was shown on late night Turner Classic Movies(TCM). It is called “Child Bride”(1938) and involved a 12 year old girl being forced to marry some guy. it takes place supposedly in the back hills of the Ozarks, the child actress, is Shirley Mills, and she goes skinny dipping with a friend, the scene takes 4 minutes from Shirley undressing( only slightly obscured by some bushes )to her swimming and being discovered by some yokels. She was fairly cute and has lovely petite boobies!

            Yes, Disney has been called out on social media as being subconsciously exploiting such matters, but one doesn’t have to watch their movies or television shows…we all still have free will…I think?…must watch the Little Mermaid again, must watch the Little Mermaid again, must watch…..er, sorry, where was I?

            E,T&A

          • sue says:

            I know, I wander off track too in to a sexy mind haze. I just wanted to say a word or many about Pamela Franklin. In ‘The Innocents’ she is young and is playing younger. What I find most interesting is that it takes three adult women to give her a bath. They all seem to very much enjoy it. In other movies she is forceful to bitchy to sweet. Looking through her history she was very much a sixties girl. One of the ones I’ve seen her in is called ‘The Nanny’, there is a scene where a boy runs from danger up a fire escape to her apartment, he is wearing only a towel. She gives him her father’s doctor coat saying to him that he looks like a doctor now. The boys reply is, ‘Yes, now take off your clothes so I can examine you.’

            Okay I promise that’s my last comment, I must be too annoying now.

  31. Misty Meadow says:

    “Hound Dog” has a scene in which Dakota Fanning, aged about 11, appears in her underwear. No paedo content (sorry about the spelling but I’m a Brit), but she looked so delicious that my knickers got wet. BTW does anyone know of any websites that have legal pics of preteens in undies?

    • Dylan says:

      Yes…..Sapphic Shares

      • Misty Meadow says:

        Thanks, Dylan, I took a look and could only find adult girls. Like asstr.org, this site doesn’t offer a clear way to submit stories. Can anyone help me here?

        • Dylan says:

          Hi Misty, The ‘deal’ with Sapphic Shares is that you need to sign up, then agree to their rules and submit a test post. Then if you pass that you will gain access to basic material first, then as you post more you will be elevated in status and a whole new world will open up, which does have material you are looking for. I also know that they have user submitted stories. If you play along with them at the start, you will be rewarded in the end.

          • Misty Meadow says:

            Thanks, Dylan. I eventually navigated my way through the impenetrable maze of Sapphic Share and I’m now rated as Captain. It’s quite a marvelous site and I have found pics of little girls in undies. My eternal gratitude.

        • Amanda Lynn says:

          I belonged to that site a couple of years back. I got full access to everything as soon as I told them I was an author here. I still had to contribute pics on a regular basis which was a pain.

          Word of warning, there were and may still be actual CP pics and vids there. That’s the reason I left that site.

  32. sue says:

    To, E,T,&A. I forgot to mention, and then I’m really done, Mary Badham is in one episode of ‘The Twilight Zone’ Not one of the best episodes, but you do get to see her in a swimsuit.

    • Euphorsyne, Thalia & Aglia says:

      Okay Sue!…thanks for the really generous replies, I’ll be sure to check out Pamela’s films and bio….and also that Twilight Zone episode…
      And no, you could never be too annoying, ’cause who doesn’t love talking about seeing young girls getting washed or just being semi or completely naked on film or television …it’s like sunshine on a cloudy day..or like a good rain to the desert…or reading a fantastic story of beautiful lesbian incest erotica here at Juicy Secrets!
      Thanks again, and say hello to Kim…bye for now.

      E,T&A

  33. Tanya says:

    I have read the comments above. I can make a brief scientific contribution – a couple of anthropological anecdotes from researchers in New Guinea or Papua New Guinea. I recall reading them, I think from a book called “O: The Intimate History of the Orgasm” by Jonathan Margolis. An interesting book I was given as a Kris Kringle.

    The first anecdote is institutional homosexuality in two nearby tribes. Basically all the men and boys lived together and played together in one tribe and all the women and girls lived together and played together in another tribe.

    They had worked out that there needed to be some congress between the tribes to perpetuate the species. So every year the men drew straws and the three or four men who drew the short straws would have to trudge over to the female camps and be forced to copulate with as many females as possible over a couple of weeks and then leave, taking any recently weaned boys with them.

    The second is cultural paedophilia, at least amongst males. A tribe knew that semen was important. They didn’t quite know why it was important, only that it was. The theory was that boys had to build up their stock from a young age by blowing men and older boys and ingesting it. Brilliant idea, whoever dreamed it up.

    In both examples, there was no sense of coercion. It was perfectly normal and natural behaviour.

    I probably read too much…

    • BlueJean says:

      I find this fascinating. What does this tell us about our sexuality? That perhaps it’s not as innate as we think? That — to a certain extent, at least — it may be dictated by the societies we live in?

      An all female society where underage and incestuous relationships are the norm. A story without the usual inner turmoil. No more having to insert the classic, “You mustn’t ever tell anyone!”

      Hmmm… Consider me inspired…

  34. Marcus says:

    How about that little cutie in The Midnight Sky with George Clooney…those eyes and that angelic face. Mmmmm I am sure a few of you ladies got wet over her 🙂

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